used DMG MORI ctx

Key data: 500 mm, 525 mm, 6000 1/min

DMG-MORI CTX 500 alpha V3 2012 Turning length 500 mm, with main spindle as integrated spindle motor, ISM 52 Plus Spindle speed 10 – 6 000 rpm, partial hollow clamping device (Hydr) Inner diameter 52 mm C-axis with spindle brake 12-speed Sauter Disc Turret with Tool Drive Direct measuring system Tailstock, chip conveyor with coolant device Siemens 840 D Solution-Line control system with DMG ergoline and Shopturn Bar Machining Packages Workpiece pick-up device Connection for bar loading magazine Short bar loading magazine Fabr. IRCO Type ILS-RBK 100/12 Window cleaning of the safety window

2-axis universal turning machine with SUPFINA superfinishing attachement Working area swing diameter over guide way protection: 500 mm -- 19,68 in clamping chuck diameter: 170 (210) mm -- 6,69 (8,26) in transverse stroke (X axis): 190 mm -- 7,48 in longitudinal stroke (Z axis): 525 mm -- 20,66 in Feed drive rapid feed, X/Z axes: 30/30 m/min -- 1181,1/1181,1 in/min Y axis* 22.5 m/min -- 885.8 in/min Main stock spindle nose size: 140 h5 mm spindle diameter in front bearing: 100 mm 3,93 in spindle bore diameter: 73 mm 2,87 in Main drive AC main drive power (100%-40% ED) 13 - 14 kW 17,42 ? 18,76 HP Torque (100%-40% ED) 171,5 - 192 Nm 126,49 - 141,61 ft.Lb Speed range 20 ? 6000 rpm Electrical connection (5 conductor system, L1, L2, L3, N, PE) connected load, total approx. 30 kVA voltage: 400 V frequency: 50 Hz protection (slow-blow) acc. to VDE 0100: 63 A per ...

2-axis universal turning machine with SUPFINA superfinishing attachement Working area swing diameter over guide way protection: 500 mm -- 19,68 in clamping chuck diameter: 170 (210) mm -- 6,69 (8,26) in transverse stroke (X axis): 190 mm -- 7,48 in longitudinal stroke (Z axis): 525 mm -- 20,66 in Feed drive rapid feed, X/Z axes: 30/30 m/min -- 1181,1/1181,1 in/min Y axis* 22.5 m/min -- 885.8 in/min Main stock spindle nose size: 140 h5 mm spindle diameter in front bearing: 100 mm 3,93 in spindle bore diameter: 73 mm 2,87 in Main drive AC main drive power (100%-40% ED) 13 - 14 kW 17,42 ? 18,76 HP Torque (100%-40% ED) 171,5 - 192 Nm 126,49 - 141,61 ft.Lb Speed range 20 ? 6000 rpm Electrical connection (5 conductor system, L1, L2, L3, N, PE) connected load, total approx. 30 kVA voltage: 400 V frequency: 50 Hz protection (slow-blow) acc. to VDE 0100: 63 A per ...

Working area Circulation diameter over bed web cover: 700 mm Max turning diameter: 410 mm Max turning length: 800 mm Rod passage: 65 (76) mm Chuck diameter: 250 (315) mm Flat stroke: 300 mm Longitudinal stroke: 850 mm Feeds Rapid response X/Z axles: 60/30 m/min Y axis* ** 22.5 m/min Max. spindle motor speed: 6,000 rpm Main Spindle Spindle head (flat flange): 170 h5 mm Spindle diameter in the front bearing: 130 mm Spindle bore: 87 mm Main drive Power of the three-phase main drive 25 kW Torque (100% ED) 280 Nm Speed range 25 - 5000 1/min Drive power rating (100% DC): 35 kW(AC) Counter spindle: ISM 52 ISM 76 synchronous Spindle head (flat flange) : 140 h5 mm 170 h5 mm Spindle diameter in the front bearing: 100 mm 130 mm Spindle bore: 73 mm 87 mm Counter sp ...

General- Compound slides with turning/milling spindle as integrated spindle motor, with hydr. locking at turning acceptance HSK-63A DIN 69893 - Y-axis ± 100 mm - B-axis ±110° with pneumatic locking - Tools magazin disc with 1x24 positions - Absolute direct gauging system in the X, Y, Z linear axes - Coolant pump 5 bar; 20l/min - Cooling system for spindle motor, turning/milling spindle, B-axis torque motor - USB interface, Ethernet interface; Control: CELOS with Siemens 840D sl Operate Working areaSwing diameter over guide ways500 mmTurning diameter500 mmMax. Turning Length750 mmBar diameter max.65 mmWork spindle (left)Spindle noseFlat flange Diametre of spindle nose170h5 mmSpindle bore87 mmSpindle diametre on front bearing130 mmMain drive 1Drive power (100% DC)25 kWDrive power (40% DC)32 kWSpeed range- 5000 rpmTorque (100% DC)280 NmMax. torque (40% DC)360 NmC-Axis Speed-5000 rp ...

BRAND: DMG MORI YEAR: 2008 MODEL: CTX510 ECO V3 PRODUCTION HOURS: 28127 APPLICATION TYPE: TURNING LOCATION: POLAND MACHINE TYPE: LATHE AVAILABILITY: IMMEDIATELY Technical Information CONTROL UNIT BRAND: SIEMENS MODEL: 810D SHOPTURN MAIN DRIVE SPINDLE SPEED RANGE: 3250 1/MIN MOVEMENT X-AXIS MOVEMENT: 300 MM Z-AXIS MOVEMENT: 1050 MM MEDIA MAIN ELECTRONIC CONNECTION: 400V / 50 HZ POWER CONSUMPTION: 40 KVA Additional Information MACHINE BENEFITS TECHNICAL MACHINE BENEFITS: - TIP DISTANCE -ROTARY TIP: 1150 MM - MAX TURNING LENGTH: 1000 MM - MAX WEIGHT BETWEEN TIPS: 350 KG - SWING OVER THE BED: 465 MM - SPINDLE BORE: 102. 5 MM - HYDRAULIC CHUCK DIM. 250MM - TURRET HEAD 12 TOOL SLOTS VDI40, 6 DRIVEN SLOTS - RPM-DRIVEN TOOLS: 4000 RPM QUALITATIVE MACHINE BENEFITS: - MACHINE CONNECTED, VERY GOOD CONDITION, READY FOR TESTS. - PART CATCHER - TOOL LE ...

With C axis Controller Siemens 840D Turning length:581 mm Turning diameter over cross slide:330 mm Turning diameter:200 mm Spindle speed (min.):5,000 rpm Spindle bore:68 mm Travel distance X-axis: 160 mm Travel distance Z-axis: 450 mm

GeneralCNC Turning Centre with C axis and tool drive; Control: CELOS with Siemens 840D sl Operate Working areaSwing diameter over guide ways700 mmTurning diameter410 mmTransverse stroke300 mmLongitudinal stroke850 mmMax. Turning Length800 mmClamping chuck diameter max.315 mmBar diameter max.65 mmWork spindle (left)Spindle noseFlat flange Diametre of spindle nose170h5 mmSpindle bore87 mmSpindle diametre on front bearing130 mmMain drive 1Drive power (100% DC)33 kWC-Axis Speed-200 rpmSpeed range20 - 4000 rpmTorque (100% DC)580 NmTorque of C-Axis (holding torque)225 NmAccuracy at point stopping0,01 degreeTool holder 1Shank diametre according to DIN 6988040 mmNumber of tool stations12 Number of driven tools12 Speed max.-4000 rpmPower max. (40% DC)11,3 kWFloor space/WeightWeight approx.6500 KgDimensions (L x W x H)3,99 x 2,69 x 1,99 mTechnologie cycle alternating speedTechnology cycle for the  ...

GeneralCNC Turning Centre with C axis and tool drive; Control: CELOS with Siemens 840D sl Operate Working areaSwing diameter over guide ways700 mmTurning diameter410 mmTransverse stroke300 mmLongitudinal stroke850 mmMax. Turning Length800 mmClamping chuck diameter max.315 mmBar diameter max.65 mmWork spindle (left)Spindle noseFlat flange Diametre of spindle nose170h5 mmSpindle bore87 mmSpindle diametre on front bearing130 mmMain drive 1Drive power (100% DC)33 kWSpeed range20 - 4000 rpmC-Axis Speed-200 rpmTorque (100% DC)580 NmTorque of C-Axis (holding torque)225 NmAccuracy at point stopping0,01 degreeTool holder 1Number of driven tools12 Shank diametre according to DIN 6988040 mmSpeed max.-4000 rpmNumber of tool stations12 Power max. (40% DC)11,3 kWFloor space/WeightWeight approx.6500 KgDimensions (L x W x H)3,99 x 2,69 x 1,99 mTechnologie cycle alternating speedTechnology cycle for the  ...

GeneralCNC Turning Centre with C axis and tool drive; Control: CELOS with Siemens 840D sl Operate Working areaSwing diameter over guide ways700 mmTransverse stroke300 mmTurning diameter410 mmMax. Turning Length800 mmLongitudinal stroke850 mmClamping chuck diameter max.315 mmBar diameter max.65 mmMain drive 1Drive power (100% DC)25 kWSpeed range25 - 5000 rpmTorque (100% DC)280 NmC-Axis Speed-200 rpmTorque of C-Axis (holding torque)225 NmAccuracy at point stopping0,01 degreeWork spindle (left)Diametre of spindle nose170h5 mmSpindle noseFlat flange Spindle bore87 mmSpindle diametre on front bearing130 mmFloor space/WeightDimensions (L x W x H)4,46 x 1,88 x 2,30 mWeight approx.6500 KgTool holder 1Number of tool stations12 Shank diametre according to DIN 6988040 mmNumber of driven tools12 Speed max.-4000 rpmPower max. (40% DC)11,3 kWTechnologie cycle alternating speedTechnology cycle for the  ...

GeneralTurn- mill machining centre; Control: Siemens sl Operate3G without ShopTurn appr 2 channel Tool magazineNumber of tools38 Max. tool length250 mmMax. tool diameter70 mmMax. tool weight3 KgB-axis Turning-milling spindleSwivelling range+/- 120 degreeSpeed range B3100 rpmAngular value, min.1 degreeTurning-milling spindleSpindle taperCapto C5 Drive power (100% DC)5,5 kWSpindle speed-20000 rpmDrive power (40% DC)7,5 kWTorque (100% DC)22 NmTorque (40% DC)30 Nmangular value, min.5 degreelocking moment700 NmB-axis counter spindlePositioning angle B3-axis, in 5 degree steps0 - 225 degreeSpeed range B340 rpmSlide 3Longitudinal stroke665 mmRapid traverse Z36 m/minSlide 1Longitudinal stroke454 mmTransverse stroke380 mmRapid traverse in X40 m/minY axis, vertical+/- 105 mmRapid traverse in Z50 m/minRapid traverse in Y40 m/minHeadstock, rightClamping chuck Ø140 mmSpindle bore38 mmSpindle diametr ...

GeneralTwo spindle turning/milling centre with - Main and counter spindle; Control: CELOS with Siemens 840D sl Operate Tool holder 2Number of tool stations12 Shank diametre according to DIN 6988040 mmNumber of driven tools12 Speed max.4000 rpmPower max. (40% DC)10 kWTool magazineNumber of tools24 Max. tool length230 mmMax. tool diameter80 mmMax. tool weight7 KgTurning-milling spindleSpindle taperHSK-A 63 Spindle speed-12000 rpmDrive power (100% DC)19 kWDrive power (40% DC)22,5 kWTorque (100% DC)85 NmTorque (40% DC)120 Nmlocking moment1000 NmSwivelling range+/-110 degreeSlide 2Longitudinal stroke1200 mmTransverse stroke195 mmSlide 3Longitudinal stroke1200 mmSlide 1Longitudinal stroke1200 mmTransverse stroke490 mmY axis, vertical+/- 100 mmHeadstock, rightClamping chuck Ø315 mmSpindle nose diameter170h5 mmSpindle bore87 mmSpindle diametre on front bearing130 mmDrive power (100% DC)25 kWDri ...

GeneralTwo spindle turning/milling centre with - Main and counter spindle; Control: CELOS with Siemens 840D sl Operate Tool holder 2Number of tool stations12 Shank diametre according to DIN 6988040 mmNumber of driven tools12 Speed max.4000 rpmPower max. (40% DC)10 kWTurning-milling spindleSpindle taperHSK-A 63 Spindle speed-12000 rpmDrive power (100% DC)19 kWDrive power (40% DC)22,5 kWTorque (100% DC)85 NmTorque (40% DC)120 Nmlocking moment1000 NmSwivelling range+/-110 degreeTool magazineNumber of tools24 Max. tool length230 mmMax. tool diameter80 mmMax. tool weight7 KgSlide 3Longitudinal stroke1200 mmSlide 2Longitudinal stroke1200 mmTransverse stroke195 mmSlide 1Longitudinal stroke1200 mmTransverse stroke490 mmY axis, vertical+/- 100 mmHeadstock, rightClamping chuck Ø315 mmSpindle nose diameter170h5 mmSpindle bore87 mmSpindle diametre on front bearing130 mmDrive power (100% DC)25 kWDri ...

GeneralCNC Turning Centre with C axis and tool drive; Control: CELOS with Siemens 840D sl Operate Working areaSwing diameter over guide ways700 mmTurning diameter410 mmTransverse stroke300 mmLongitudinal stroke850 mmMax. Turning Length800 mmClamping chuck diameter max.315 mmBar diameter max.65 mmWork spindle (left)Spindle noseFlat flange Diametre of spindle nose170h5 mmSpindle bore87 mmSpindle diametre on front bearing130 mmMain drive 1Drive power (100% DC)25 kWSpeed range25 - 5000 rpmTorque (100% DC)280 NmC-Axis Speed-200 rpmTorque of C-Axis (holding torque)225 NmAccuracy at point stopping0,01 degreeTool holder 1Number of tool stations12 Shank diametre according to DIN 6988040 mmNumber of driven tools12 Speed max.-6000 rpmPower max. (40% DC)10 kWFloor space/WeightDimensions (L x W x H)3,99 x 2,69 x 1,99 mWeight approx.6500 KgTechnologie cycle alternating speedTechnology cycle for the ap ...

Working area Circulation diameter over bed web cover: 700 mm Max turning diameter: 410 mm Max turning length: 800 mm Rod passage: 65 (76) mm Chuck diameter: 250 (315) mm Flat stroke: 300 mm Longitudinal stroke: 850 mm Feeds Rapid response X/Z axles: 60/30 m/min Y axis* ** 22.5 m/min Max. spindle motor speed: 6,000 rpm Main Spindle Spindle head (flat flange): 170 h5 mm Spindle diameter in the front bearing: 130 mm Spindle bore: 87 mm Main drive Power of the three-phase main drive 25 kW Torque (100% ED) 280 Nm Speed range 25 - 5000 1/min Drive power rating (100% DC): 35 kW(AC) Counter spindle: ISM 52 ISM 76 synchronous Spindle head (flat flange) : 140 h5 mm 170 h5 mm Spindle diameter in the front bearing: 100 mm 130 mm Spindle bore: 73 mm 87 mm Counter sp ...

GeneralTwo spindle turning centre with - partial hollow clamping device for main spindle and counter spindle internal diameter of draw tube Ø67 mm (2.63 in) x 700 mm (27.55 in) deep - 2 C-axes and spindle brakes (hydr.) - 2 12 fold Sauter star turrets reception VDI 40, DIN 69880-40 with precision interface (Trifix) and tool drive connection/drive acc. DIN 5480 - Y-axis, slide I - Counter spindle slide with NC-cross stroke and tailstock; Control: CELOS with Siemens 840D sl Operate Headstock, leftClamping chuck Ø315 mmSpindle nose diameter170h5 mmSpindle diametre on front bearing130 mmSpindle bore87 mmDrive power (100% DC)25 kWTorque (100% DC)280 NmC-Axis Speed2000 rpmSpeed range0-5000 rpmHeadstock, rightClamping chuck Ø315 mmSpindle bore87 mmSpindle nose diameter170h5 mmSpindle diametre on front bearing130 mmDrive power (100% DC)25 kWC-Axis Speed2000 rpmTorque (100% DC)280 NmS ...

Machine Details Stock number 1105-03812 Machine type CNC turning and milling center Brand GILDEMEISTER Type CTX beta 500 Year of construction 2014 Control type CNC Control 840 D SL SIEMENS Storage location FRANCE Country of origin Germany Delivery time by arrangement Freight base from site Price Technical details Turning diameter 410 mm Turning length 850 mm Control 840 D SL SIEMENS Circumferential diameter over bed 500 mm Speed range - main spindle 25 - 5,000 min/-1 Drive power - main spindle 25 / 34 kW torque 280 Nm C-axis 0.01 ° Spindle nose 170 h5 chuck diameter 210 mm Chuck diameter 250 mm Spindle diameter in the front. Bearing 130 mm Spindle bore 87 mm bar diameter 77 mm Number of tool positions 16 pos. Number of driven tool stations 16 pos. Drive power applied WZ stations 11.3 kW Speed range - antr. Tool stations max. 4.000 min -1 Tool holder VD ...

GeneralCNC Turning Centre with C axis and tool drive; Control: CELOS with Siemens 840D sl Operate Working areaSwing diameter over guide ways700 mmTurning diameter410 mmTransverse stroke300 mmLongitudinal stroke850 mmMax. Turning Length800 mmClamping chuck diameter max.315 mmBar diameter max.65 mmWork spindle (left)Spindle noseFlat flange Diametre of spindle nose170h5 mmSpindle diametre on front bearing130 mmSpindle bore87 mmMain drive 1Drive power (100% DC)25 kWSpeed range25 - 5000 rpmTorque (100% DC)280 NmC-Axis Speed-200 rpmTorque of C-Axis (holding torque)225 NmAccuracy at point stopping0,01 degreeTool holder 1Number of tool stations12 Shank diametre according to DIN 6988040 mmNumber of driven tools12 Speed max.-4000 rpmPower max. (40% DC)11,3 kWFloor space/WeightDimensions (L x W x H)3,99 x 2,69 x 1,99 mWeight approx.6500 KgTechnologie cycle alternating speedTechnology cycle for the  ...

GeneralCNC Turning Centre with C axis and tool drive; Control: CELOS with Siemens 840D sl Operate Working areaSwing diameter over guide ways700 mmTurning diameter410 mmTransverse stroke300 mmLongitudinal stroke850 mmMax. Turning Length800 mmClamping chuck diameter max.315 mmBar diameter max.65 mmWork spindle (left)Spindle noseFlat flange Diametre of spindle nose220h5 mmSpindle bore102 mmSpindle diametre on front bearing160 mmMain drive 1Drive power (100% DC)33 kWSpeed range20 - 4000 rpmTorque (100% DC)580 NmC-Axis Speed-200 rpmTorque of C-Axis (holding torque)580 NmAccuracy at point stopping0,01 degreeTool holder 1Number of tool stations12 Number of driven tools12 Shank diametre according to DIN 6988040 mmSpeed max.-6000 rpmPower max. (40% DC)10 kWFloor space/WeightDimensions (L x W x H)3,99 x 2,69 x 1,99 mWeight approx.6500 KgTechnologie cycle alternating speedTechnology cycle for the a ...

GeneralCNC Turning Centre with C axis and tool drive; Control: CELOS with Siemens 840D sl Operate Working areaSwing diameter over guide ways700 mmTurning diameter410 mmTransverse stroke300 mmLongitudinal stroke850 mmMax. Turning Length800 mmClamping chuck diameter max.315 mmBar diameter max.65 mmWork spindle (left)Spindle noseFlat flange Diametre of spindle nose170h5 mmSpindle bore87 mmSpindle diametre on front bearing130 mmMain drive 1Drive power (100% DC)25 kWSpeed range25 - 5000 rpmTorque (100% DC)280 NmC-Axis Speed-200 rpmTorque of C-Axis (holding torque)225 NmAccuracy at point stopping0,01 degreeTool holder 1Number of tool stations12 Shank diametre according to DIN 6988040 mmNumber of driven tools12 Speed max.-4000 rpmPower max. (40% DC)11,3 kWFloor space/WeightDimensions (L x W x H)3,99 x 2,69 x 1,99 mWeight approx.6500 KgTechnologie cycle alternating speedTechnology cycle for the  ...

turning diameter: 240 mm turning length: 500 mm control: Sinumerik 840 D sl Celos swing diameter: max. 510 mm Main spindle:: turning speed range - main spindle: max. 5.500 min/-1 power capacity - main spindel: 14 / 13 kW max. Torque: 192 / 172 Nm inner draw tube diameter: 66 mm C-Axis: 0,001 ° spindle diameter in front bearing: 100 mm max. chucking diameter: 215 mm spindle nose: 140H5 turret:: number of toolpositions: 12 pos. Number of driven toolspositions: 12 pos. tool taper: VDI 30 Spindle speed - driven tool stations: max. 5.000 min -1 power capacity - driven tool-stations: 5,4 kW max. Torque: 18 Nm y-axis: +/- 40 mm axis stroke:: x-axis: 210 mm y-axis: (+/- 40) 80 mm z-axis: 525 mm feeds:: rapid traverse ( X / Y / Z ): 30 / 22,5 / 30 m/min Feed force ( X / Y / Z ): 4,5 / 4,5 / 7,5 kN total power requirement: 20 kVA weight of the machine ca.: 4,3 t dimensions of the machine ca.: ...

GeneralCNC Turning Centre; Control: CELOS with Siemens 840D sl Operate Working areaSwing diameter over guide ways710 mmTransverse stroke260 mmLongitudinal stroke1345 mmClamping chuck diameter max.315 mmMain drive 1Drive power (100% DC)22 kWSpeed range- 4000 rpmTorque (100% DC)410 NmMax. torque (40% DC)525 NmAccuracy at point stopping0,001 degreeWork spindle (left)Spindle bore91 mmSpindle diametre on front bearing140 mmTool holder 1Number of tool stations12 Shank diametre according to DIN 6988040 mmNumber of driven tools12 Speed max.-6000 rpmPower max. (100% DC)10 kWFloor space/WeightDimensions (L x W x H)5,4 x 2,07 x 2,6 mWeight approx.7800 KgTechnologie cycle alternating speedTechnology cycle for the application of an alternating speed for vibration sensitive set-ups (Only in conjunction with Siemens control)Chuck rinsing device, outsidechuck rinsing device, outside (main spindle)Main s ...

GeneralVertical Machining Centres; Control: Control F0iMF CharacteristicsTable surface1400 x 560 mmMovement X / Y / Z1100/560/510 mmSpindle taperBT 40 Tool Magazine with60 PositionsDrive power (25% DC)15 kWDrive power (100% DC)11 kWSpeed max.12000 rpmMaximum load (table centre)1000 KgRapid feed X / Y / Z36/36/30 m/minDimensions (L x W x H)3,19 x 2,76 x 2,94 (3,82 x 3,58 x 3,01) mWeight approx.5500 KgStandard spindle 12,000 min-1, 15/ 11 kWStandard Spindle 12,000 min-1, 15/ 11 kW Spindle speed: 12,000 min-1 Output: 15/13/11 kW (20/17.33/15 HP) (25%ED/30min/cont) Torque: 119/70/57 Nm (87.76/51.62/42.04 ft·lbf) (25%ED/30min/cont)Spindle Taper 7/24 Taper #40/ Grip MAS Spindle Taper 7/24 Taper #40/ Grip MAS This specification uses the spindle No. 40 7/24 taper / Grip MAS tool holder. The grip type and retention knob type of ATC are specified separately.Retention Knob: Special (Center-Throug ...

Key data: 850 Heidenhain, 600 iTNC 530, 640

Table length: 850 mm Table width: 600 mm Longitudinal X: 640 mm Cross Y: 600 mm Vertical Z: 500 mm Positions ATC: 30   Positions APC: 0   CNC Brand: Heidenhain CNC Model: iTNC 530 X – Travel:              640mm Y – Travel:              600mm Z – Travel:              500mm Table Length:            850mm Table Width:             600mm Table load:              600Kg Feed rate X-Axis:        40.000mm/min. Feed rate Y-Axis:        40.000mm/min. Feed rate Z-Axis:        40.000mm/min. Spindle Taper:           Sk40 ISO/Bt/Mk Power on spindle:        19kW Speeds / ra ...

Table length: 790 mm Table width: 560 mm Longitudinal X: 635 mm Cross Y: 510 mm Vertical Z: 460 mm Positions ATC: 30   Positions APC: 0   CNC Brand: Siemens CNC Model: 840 D X – Travel:              635mm Y – Travel:              510mm Z – Travel:              460mm Table Length:            790mm Table Width:             560mm Table load:              600Kg Feed rate X-Axis:        30.000mm/min. Feed rate Y-Axis:        30.000mm/min. Feed rate Z-Axis:        30.000mm/min. Spindle Taper:           SK40 ISO/Bt/Mk Speeds / ranges:         8000Rpm ATC / revo ...